Scientific Research & Self-Development Activism
Awesome!!! I thought about this one. Like if everyone in the world suddenly, without a doubt, believed the sky was going to turn orange in two days, would it happen? This comes down to the big question, what came first, consciousness or matter? If consciousness came first, I'd guess this is perfectly possible; however, where was consciousness held prior to the earth being formed? Wtf, blackholes?
There is no tree, ever.
Yea am so glad i found this site. My friends would just tell me I'm Crazy. According to Einstein every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So i say consciousness because the universe could not just have Big Banged out of nothing. And have you ever taken a look at Robert Anton Wilson's work? He says that reason we can't figure it out is because we are using the wrong base to scale from. He Says that it is not matter that is the Fabric/substance of the Universe, but consciousness itself. Interesting Standpoint. However the only problem is that matter is clearly Defined, if we were to change the base from something clearly defined to something somewhat undefinable, it has drastic changes on our entire perception of the matter.Anyway it is definitely clear that we are moving in a new direction.
i like that reply.
? is this really a serious debate, because i'm in a mid-spectrum on this idea. i don't know whether to laugh or configure a way of instigating the thought that the sky will turn orange. would this entitle me to consider that untill we went to space that the earth was indeed flat and the center of the universe, and the first astronaught made it round because he thought it. i highly doubt it, if i thought that i could make my own style of man by blowing on dirt and thinking he will have wheels instead of feet fifteen arms and the mental copacity of a scientist, politician, general, and a businessman put together. that would be great i do agree, but improbable, due notice i said improbable and not impossible, we just need to change the way physics works!
These thoughts are interesting and you're completely correct in that movies like The Secret and What The Bleep Do We Know use what is fundamentally a scientifically sound basis but then tend to spin all sorts of assumptions around it that are not only completely hypothetical, but often also very unlikely.
The basic take of AToE on that particular 'thoughts manifesting reality' thing is: if we stop using any sort of conceptual reference frame, we can only say that what must exist for sure is some sort of abstract pattern bringing about my experience, my consciousness. (mind you, I'm not even talking about the 'brain' or about 'other people' here, that would already be hypothetical, I can only say that something enables me to have experiences about 'the brain' or 'other people' etc)
The nature or structure of this pattern is what defines the laws that I am subject to of course. It seems that it's not up to me to decide that my thoughts just magically influence reality, that doesn't seem to fit with the pattern of my experiences when examined using the 'scientific method'. And what IF this pattern is all there is and everything is just as real or illusion as much as dreams are? Well, scientific method and its discoveries does point out, through study of evolution and so forth, that, within this pattern, happiness and fulfillment tend to be the product of having a sense of contribution, feeling like you're helping others in some way or another within this construct. So, however you want to label this construct as 'real' or 'dream' or whatever, the 'laws' remain the same. Though understanding them can yield a much greater sense of detachment since you stop labeling a lot of things. This then allows you to actually be more scientific about your choices and your sense of reality: you just look at the patterns of probabilities, what is more likely to happen? And how do I respond to that?
This is extremely thought provoking ;D Nice post +1