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Consciousness and Reality
I have no evidence of any of this so feel free to shoot me down lol.
I was kind of confused. In the documentary you seem to discredit things like "The Secret" and "What the bleep do we know," because they seem to impose the idea that YOUR thoughts Control Reality without any evidence of this. Now In your documentary (At least what i got from it) you're basically saying that there is definitely a correlation between consciousness (not trying to express it as metaphysical, but it's coming across that way) and the physical world, it's potential however is unknown. So basically things like the secret are feeding off that ideology but multiplying 100000 fold with no evidence. Anyway This is my Take. What if it's not YOUR thoughts specifically, but the invisible network of all the thoughts on this planet, creating what i like to call The Collective Conscience. And It's Perception is what defines reality. In That Sense, if you took every person in the world, and painted a picture of the world based on their average perceptions. You Would get a Picture identical to the world we have today.
it would seem that quantum physics and mechanics are taking us back to our roots and making us re-examine them.
If a tree falls and no ones around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a tree falls and no one is there to see it does it really fall?
If no one was there to observe it in the first place, would the tree even exist?
again i can not prove any of this, and there is no scientific evidence that i know of to back this up. it's just my thoughts.
I was kind of confused. In the documentary you seem to discredit things like "The Secret" and "What the bleep do we know," because they seem to impose the idea that YOUR thoughts Control Reality without any evidence of this. Now In your documentary (At least what i got from it) you're basically saying that there is definitely a correlation between consciousness (not trying to express it as metaphysical, but it's coming across that way) and the physical world, it's potential however is unknown. So basically things like the secret are feeding off that ideology but multiplying 100000 fold with no evidence. Anyway This is my Take. What if it's not YOUR thoughts specifically, but the invisible network of all the thoughts on this planet, creating what i like to call The Collective Conscience. And It's Perception is what defines reality. In That Sense, if you took every person in the world, and painted a picture of the world based on their average perceptions. You Would get a Picture identical to the world we have today.
it would seem that quantum physics and mechanics are taking us back to our roots and making us re-examine them.
If a tree falls and no ones around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a tree falls and no one is there to see it does it really fall?
If no one was there to observe it in the first place, would the tree even exist?
again i can not prove any of this, and there is no scientific evidence that i know of to back this up. it's just my thoughts.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan on -
Awesome!!! I thought about this one. Like if everyone in the world suddenly, without a doubt, believed the sky was going to turn orange in two days, would it happen? This comes down to the big question, what came first, consciousness or matter? If consciousness came first, I'd guess this is perfectly possible; however, where was consciousness held prior to the earth being formed? Wtf, blackholes?
There is no tree, ever.
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Permalink Reply by Anthony Desoyza on -
Yea am so glad i found this site. My friends would just tell me I'm Crazy. According to Einstein every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So i say consciousness because the universe could not just have Big Banged out of nothing. And have you ever taken a look at Robert Anton Wilson's work? He says that reason we can't figure it out is because we are using the wrong base to scale from. He Says that it is not matter that is the Fabric/substance of the Universe, but consciousness itself. Interesting Standpoint. However the only problem is that matter is clearly Defined, if we were to change the base from something clearly defined to something somewhat undefinable, it has drastic changes on our entire perception of the matter.Anyway it is definitely clear that we are moving in a new direction.
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i like that reply.
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Permalink Reply by alex mcqueen on -
? is this really a serious debate, because i'm in a mid-spectrum on this idea. i don't know whether to laugh or configure a way of instigating the thought that the sky will turn orange. would this entitle me to consider that untill we went to space that the earth was indeed flat and the center of the universe, and the first astronaught made it round because he thought it. i highly doubt it, if i thought that i could make my own style of man by blowing on dirt and thinking he will have wheels instead of feet fifteen arms and the mental copacity of a scientist, politician, general, and a businessman put together. that would be great i do agree, but improbable, due notice i said improbable and not impossible, we just need to change the way physics works!
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Permalink Reply by Reese Leysen on -
These thoughts are interesting and you're completely correct in that movies like The Secret and What The Bleep Do We Know use what is fundamentally a scientifically sound basis but then tend to spin all sorts of assumptions around it that are not only completely hypothetical, but often also very unlikely.
The basic take of AToE on that particular 'thoughts manifesting reality' thing is: if we stop using any sort of conceptual reference frame, we can only say that what must exist for sure is some sort of abstract pattern bringing about my experience, my consciousness. (mind you, I'm not even talking about the 'brain' or about 'other people' here, that would already be hypothetical, I can only say that something enables me to have experiences about 'the brain' or 'other people' etc)
The nature or structure of this pattern is what defines the laws that I am subject to of course. It seems that it's not up to me to decide that my thoughts just magically influence reality, that doesn't seem to fit with the pattern of my experiences when examined using the 'scientific method'. And what IF this pattern is all there is and everything is just as real or illusion as much as dreams are? Well, scientific method and its discoveries does point out, through study of evolution and so forth, that, within this pattern, happiness and fulfillment tend to be the product of having a sense of contribution, feeling like you're helping others in some way or another within this construct. So, however you want to label this construct as 'real' or 'dream' or whatever, the 'laws' remain the same. Though understanding them can yield a much greater sense of detachment since you stop labeling a lot of things. This then allows you to actually be more scientific about your choices and your sense of reality: you just look at the patterns of probabilities, what is more likely to happen? And how do I respond to that?
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Permalink Reply by SparTom007 - Tom on -
This is extremely thought provoking ;D Nice post +1
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