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Indians, masters of irony
Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents.
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket,
he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift.
We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being
was not determined by his wealth.
We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know
how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things
that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society.
John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976
I found this on the interwebs when i was searching for native american philosohpy (i just realized there was a huge gap in my knowledge about america that needed some filling). I thought this would be appropriate for i-power, so i`m putting it here on off-topic.
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Permalink Reply by March E. on -
Awesome post Bart. I've always been somewhat fascinated by Native American culture and history. Unfortunately, schoolchildren here don't get to read a lot about them, but I feel it is important to learn about it since their culture is so different from western society. It's good food for thought. Thanks a lot :D
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Permalink Reply by The Shiznit on -
They don't teach much about it in schools here because the truth of what the "civilized" white man did here is too horrifying. The white Europeans basically came over here and invaded this country and conducted a genocide campaign to exterminate the native inhabitants. But since "civilized" people don't do things like that... lol... we don't think about it, talk about it, or admit to it. :-)
Several good movies out there that address this a tiny bit though, like Dances with Wolves.
And there's another one that's kinda old that I liked: Little Big Man, with Dustin Hoffman.
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Permalink Reply by Nathan Davies on -
Dances With Wolves was a big eye opener for me. I had never really seen American Indians portrayed in a positive light before that movie. Luckily for me, I had native american blood in my veins (fairly strong) so my family was much better about telling me the truth.
The OP really makes you question what "being civilized" really is. I've thought for a long time that it was nothing like what we're doing now. We're the most uncivilized, "civilized" people. LOL
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Permalink Reply by SparTom007 - Tom on -
- Jacque Fresco“We talk about civilization as though it’s a static state. There are no civilized people yet, it’s a process that’s constantly going on… As long as you have war, police, prisons, crime, you are in the early stages of civilization.”
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Permalink Reply by SparTom007 - Tom on
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I love the "red indians" :) Their culture was such a fantastic example of how we should learn to live with nature instead of continuously trying to distance ourselves from it. The human race is a cocky one
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Permalink Reply by Bart on -
i`m just gonna link the site where i found it.
http://www.sapphyr.net/natam/quotes-nativeamerican.htm
if you look past the god damned flute, it`s actually very interesting stuff on there.
Any philosophy regarding resources and use of them would be kind of relevant for i-power, and after reading these quotes from native americans (even though they have only selected the peaceful and politicaly correct ones) has made me think that it would be very useful to get a better understanding of the "un-civilized" people of the world.
and btw, thx for writing such nice comments :)
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