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Permalink Reply by Sorlaize on July 22, 2012 at 5:18pm

"Cooperation not competition". I really like that phrase. If humanity, if we seriously thought about how we're going to solve these problems, we'd realize that there is no enemy. And that we must "live together or die alone" in these difficult times where we are still fighting for resources. So, we must give up some modern comforts in favor of sustainable ones.

I dunno I previously thought people on the street wouldn't have much of a useful opinion. But. Benefit of the doubt and all. Maybe if you get people thinking on a fundamental level, which doesn't insult their intelligence and still challenges them, then they will be able to do something with that.


>When talking about having these systems as free, most people retort that they could not be
>free because someone must be paid to maintain them. I believe in this system, a system that
>cares for the individual and society holistically, there would be no shortage of volunteers, and
>no shortage of free knowledge on how to maintain the systems for these volunteers to learn.

If you still have the same level of safety & maintenance checks, there should not be any problem. A general well-motivated work ethic is central to building a new society, however, that's not to say the one we have isn't illusory or misrepresentative of society's needs today anyway. What are society's needs? We don't even know. That says something about how we are always just going along with what's already existed.

But, someone gave the example of medical staff like surgeons, nurses.. how would you compensate these people in such a society? Maybe if there is no money in such a society, these people would be doing it for something different. Maybe the richest people in our society today even, would have better lives if we could indeed base everything primarily on what resources can be used for however many people. Surely we ought to be putting solar panels in deserts and crops on the land, the best way we know how, and people in all buildings that already exist. Nobody has such an idea figured out so far, but it's its peaceful and helpful nature which we would all do well to immerse ourselves in for a short time.

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Permalink Reply by SparTom007 - Tom on July 22, 2012 at 5:24pm

I've not based this idea on any "social needs", only the fundamental needs for humanity to survive laid out in a sustainable way :)

As for compensating people, that is partly my point. It should be a privelege to serve society, not because we want money or honour or medals, but because it is simply a privilege to do so. ^Jacques Fresco ;)

I agree about the solar panel thing too, I dunno why it's not being done yet tbh, I guess the infrastructure to transfer the power around isn't here yet :\

It's crazy how much we as humans have distanced ourselves from nature.

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Permalink Reply by The Shiznit on July 22, 2012 at 9:34pm

"Cooperation not competition"

hmmmm.  Now why does that sound familiar?  Oh!  I remember now.  hehehe  :-)  

http://ipowerproject.com/forum/topics/competition-vs-cooperation  

{You all might be interested in Reese's comment in that thread, btw.  *wink*}

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Permalink Reply by SparTom007 - Tom on July 22, 2012 at 9:40pm

You want to abolish capitalism on the notion that people don't respect the right idols?

It's not an issue with capitalism it's an issue with human nature. Those that are of lesser inteligence or those who are moderately naive will not be able to comprehend the works of scientists and politicians who do great things. They Don't understand how revising and combining previous works can produce great things they just think simply and in the short term.

Due to this they can only understand someone's talent in the form of a pleasent voice or image or ability to run or throw or catch in sports. Though these traits aren't actually of any particular practicality in daily life, they are simple to understand and admire in naive jealosy.

In short, it's not a problem with capitalism or corporatism or even consumerism, it's just that the modern world is highly populated with morons.

This comment annoyed the hell outta me in that thread xD It's one of my pet peeves when people say that it's "human nature" that is the flaw in society, not the system itself... It shows a complete lack of understanding of simple human behavioural psychology. Fact is, we're all born without bigotry, with open minds, rather intelligent and quite altruistic (thanks to evolution, we actually are all genuinely altruists when we're born!) but society has just come to a point where now that thinking is pushed out of us and the behavious we exhibit is just a result of environmental and social conditioning!

I POWER MEMBERS: ABOVE SOCIAL CONDITIONING!

edit: I don't know how to use block quotes :\

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Permalink Reply by March E. on July 22, 2012 at 10:27pm

LOL scientists and politicians...indeed so much progress has been done when they come together, atomic bombs, weapons of mass destruction flying out of your ass, and drones...From what I can tell, politicians are the ones hindering progress. If not for politics, we could have been more integrated with solar energy here in America by now.

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Permalink Reply by The Shiznit on July 22, 2012 at 11:13pm

oh no!  not flying out of my ass!!!  lol 

Couldn't resist another monkey reference here.  sorry. 

{it's an inside joke, for the rest of you} 

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Permalink Reply by Sorlaize on July 23, 2012 at 12:39am

I dunno what you can say, other than politicians manage our ever-more-complex world. Why does the system need to be complicated in the first place?

Yeah I pretty much find myself asking why any nation, today, needs 200,000 or however nuclear weapons ready to go (which they did, although not so many, even during the cold war), and why the world / media is so focused today on stopping ONE country even BEING ABLE TO MAKE ONE nuclear weapon... I sure hope I'm missing something here.

About the media, though, I think they just go to whatever sounds interesting, and none of the major news companies are interested in raising awareness of things that might matter more than anything else.. how else would they get money? So, I would blame the media and everyone for following them blindly, if you are going to point the finger at just one or two groups in particular. If everyone thought for themselves and we didn't have to make so much food and throwaway products, yeah, I think the world could be a much better place. If everyone thought for themselves, maybe we wouldn't have racism/general bigotry and small crimes overwhelming police forces. Maybe we wouldn't have large scale wars. Maybe, if people weren't so overwhelmed by work that they're tired..

It all folds back into the realization that we live so unnaturally now and it's slowly killing us all, in various ways. Breaking down the good-natured, able, human being. Slowly.

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