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Permalink Reply by ryan edge on March 31, 2011 at 1:49am

THANK YOU FOR THIS!

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Permalink Reply by AlexG on March 31, 2011 at 2:21am

Some people don't seem to like the new guideline, I'm not going to argue about religion here, I just think some people are overreacting. I Power is all about self development, I don't it is forcing anyone to jump right into scientific research and to be a super nerd(don't take me seriously here if you're one)  to stay on the site.

I don't think there is a problem with approaching a certain topic in a psychological way simply because it is actually a science and as I see it, it's just a way to explain the neuroscience stuff in a simple way. The old I Power videos sound a lot more psychology oriented than neuroscience oriented. I believe that's they Reese and the others meant when they said the docu was going to take I Power to another level.

About the spiritual stuff, I just don't understand it that well, I'm an atheist and I really don't want to talk about it because it's not going to take us anywhere. I respect your believes but keep them to yourself.

 

What else? Someone said something about not having any moderators on I Power, really? I've had an issue with an account that was making spam comments on my page (and in other people's pages I believe) but it was fixed relatively fast. Why? Because the moderators were there, doing their job, that's the main reason why every forum has moderators.

 

Someone else said that new people or less active people weren't taken into account or something like that, look at me, I'm not really that much active here and I've had no problems with that. Again, I think some people are just overreacting.

Dictatorship shouldn't even be discussed because Reese or any of the other moderators have to respect the guidelines themselves(I tried to make an Hitler moustache on Reese's avatar just for the lolz but it wasn't as fun as I first thought).

 

I'm going to finish now cause I'm dragging quite a bit, not even my blog posts are as long as this comment. Just to say that this guideline helps to define the purpose of I Power.

That's all, keep rockin' guys!

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Permalink Reply by Thomas Jackson on March 31, 2011 at 3:00am

Well rounded off Alex. This is a place for exploring possibilities and expanding our awareness on the subject matter, based upon verifiable data. AToE is as it states a 'theory,' but Athene's theory has evidence to validate his viewpoint. Discussing this subject matter spiritually (If at all possible) is irrelevant as spirituality is based upon faith/beliefs and how "you believed, thought it to be, and it was so" - not how it factually is. It's debatable, but without facts there is no point to even begin theorizing about it as you would always end up saying "ok that's a great interpretation, but can you prove it?" Athene shows and explores the possibilities of how in-fact his theory is relevant. It's different for everyone, but for whoever achieves self mastery, will be able to tell you how they did it - or at least factually prove how their stand point has any kind of correlation, as weak or strong as their theory is - at least they have something to back it up!

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Permalink Reply by BranBoom on March 31, 2011 at 6:44am

There are times and places where focus, and standards are key.

Science is about being accountable to the unbending reality of our world. Sometimes that means swollowing pride and setting aside ego to reevaluate personal opinions and values. This is in the hopes of coming to a better understand of the world around us. Which in turn allows us to dance gracefully with our world.

 

Forcing your environment to accommodate you is not inline with this philosophy.

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Permalink Reply by AlexG on March 31, 2011 at 3:01pm

See? That account doesn't exist any more, that's what I was talking about.

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Permalink Reply by DaDer on March 31, 2011 at 7:17pm

I just found this site some time ago and was a very interested reader. Now I joined to make this statement:


Where is the line?

…Between acceptable spiritualism and New-Age crap?

That's what I want to know.

What's New-Age in my opinion:

-Water having a memory
-Having Out-of-Body experiences and then deduce knowledge from the experience about reality
-Having Near-Death experiences and then deduce knowledge from the experience about reality
-Having LSD, DMT- Trips and then deduce knowledge from the experience about reality
-Wired rituals
-Channeling of beings from other dimensions
-UFO things and all related phenomenon (like crop circles or alien abduction)
-Conspiracy theories… (no you are not allowed to ask questions)
-Kirlean-photgraphy
-Quantum-mysticism (or Quantum-pseudoscience)
-very strict Religion
-All kinds of healing which are not orthodox, accepted, mainstream medicine (which is a multi billion dollar industry)
-Astrology
-Meditation??!! (used to be for sure but it looks like that the people who always were against it because "it's just stupid new-age stuff" have to accept that it might be not)
-Ancient civilizations
-prophecies
-time-travel
-the rise of a golden new age...

All of these things are just made up! We humans are a very dumb race because we excogitate so many stupid things. And it's not enough that someone excogitate them once and then they are taken, no. Thousands of stupid people come up with these freaking ideas all the time… .again and again… always the same….. We need more education(or even something better because even educated Ph.Ds come up with some of that crap)

If we do NOT want to be New-Age people than we have to ONLY accept what science has proven, don't dare to ask further questions and most important: DONT rely on your very own, first hand experience because these are just chemical reactions in your malfunctioning brain which delude you!

Ok, then….
But why now meditation? Is it now ok, because neuroscience has shown that there is something real to it? Didn't it work before that? Wasn't the earth round before it was proven?
Would we have found out about Mantras, Silencing the mind, or all the other techniques without people who have done it for over 600 years just because it works and not just because it's scientifically proven?
Now IPower starts to promote meditation but:
Have you ever thought about that if people here start to meditate and do it regularly that it does not only affect your life-experience outside meditation?  Have you ever thought about that there might be phenomenon occurring DURING meditation?
Well bad luck for you because now you won't be able to talk about these experiences anymore because if you do, you are a NEW-Age guy.
what are you thinking? Promoting Meditation(The technique for entering altered states of consciousness) and at the same time censoring people talking about experiences which they had in altered states of consciousness???
Do you know what meditation is about???
It is NOT just about improving everyday life. NO it is about entering altered states of consciousness. And sure you can say: "Well maybe, but I'm only doing it for the benefit in everyday-life" Ok, but meditation is a SCIENTIFIC METHOD which means if you are really doing it seriously you will definitively, one day, stumble over things you might consider as "very strange".
And that is the point where the real questioning begins... but.... rule number 7!!!!
All the above mentioned things which are New-Age, I din't give a fuck about them. It's only meditation that is "the real deal" BUT still I think it is NOT the right way to deny people to talk about them. I actually like the Ideas from "Daniel Lockwood" and/or "Arjuna aka sdsad" to change the main page, or create a sub-forum which content is not shown on the main-page or something like that

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Permalink Reply by Reese Leysen on March 31, 2011 at 10:11pm

Again, nobody's talking about some sorta strict "NO NEW AGE" enforcement or anything like that. This guideline (which clearly uses the words 'can' and 'may' and 'if considered out of place') is just to make it officially known that excessive or unusually wacky spiritual/new age material may get removed.

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Mejia on February 19, 2013 at 7:58am

Meditation leads to the acceptance of all that other "crap" because it helps accept the possibility of it. Open your mind if the thought of it s there then it came from somewhere. How do you explain dejavu or people having extremely accurate predictions? Or all those people in past interviews who could do many things with their minds? Or Reiki energy? Even quantum mechanics state that anything is possible in this universe.  

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Permalink Reply by Reese Leysen on April 25, 2011 at 9:52am

Fact that we want to keep discussions that are specifically religious or spiritual to a minimum has nothing to do with atheism though. It has everything to do with the fact that the internet is full of people who can't stop rambling about those topics and if we open the floodgates to those, this community will quickly become a lot less focused on SDA in the concrete ways that it has been thus far.

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Permalink Reply by Graeme Hadfield on December 4, 2011 at 8:30am

An excellent guideline, (so far as my beliefs about guidelines are concerned.)
I can see that many will have trouble with this though, on the basis of what has already been said. 
That is, for a mind that accepts its own beliefs as carrying more weight than any forwarded idea, 
such guidelines will be seen primarily as a restriction and therefore rejected out of hand. 
However, when discussing the particular aspects of a given paradigm it is important
to include such regulations that focus our attention upon the object of our discussion, 
namely self-awareness, in the sense that being self aware is being aware of the 
principles and processes that are what we are. 
Too often we attempt our explanations on the basis of an unknown duality. 
So, in one sense we are attempting to define what is unknown to us in the terms 
of what is known. But in this endevour when we reach out to some unsubstantiated 
claim we have missed the point. Only on the basis of a synchronic causal relationship
will we begin to see the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. 
One question remains: Is the world ready to hear the answers that we come up with?

IMO

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Permalink Reply by Miguel Mejia on February 19, 2013 at 7:52am

What if some or most of the the "new age or spiritual" content has already been through science? Starting with Einstein. "All matter is energy, and energy may be turned into matter" ... Thoughts are energy... You can not have one without the other because without either you would have neither and you limit your self to the discoveries you can make to just the physical. We limit our selves to knowledge when we choose what to believe and what to disregard. Knowledge can be communicated but not wisdom. Wisdom comes from within. 

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Permalink Reply by Tea Bitsadze on February 19, 2013 at 10:05pm

A very good rule, sufficiently specific and clear enough. I will try to abide :) It is not easy to be a moderator, right? you have to explain one and the same over and over again, in a nice way. This rule does not need to be defended. While everybody is interpreting it, I will also make my point. So, as I understand it, it is up to the moderator to remove the posts "which focus heavily.... and .. are considered to out of place". I personally trust the judgement of the moderators and thus, this rule is totally fine by me. 

 

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