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Permalink Reply by Focking Original on February 1, 2012 at 7:45pm

I agree that religion can be a positive factor.

I disagree with that it is a creation of the human brain.

Religion = What you belief as a living creature

If you apply this to animals, there perspective of life is way more simplistic, as they follow there emotional instincts based on the same reality. A cow doesn't think of a cow God. As they can't think with words, only with emotions. So can we say a Cow has no religion?

When a person doesn't believe in anything, his religion is Atheïsm or Agnosticism.

That's why I believe that all living creatures have a religion.

We all originated from the big bang, as one. Life on earth needed water and sunlight to evolve. Then later also Oxygen. So I also consider everything around us as pieces of God and all being part of one big system. Which we have to respect and be threatened as our own mother. Or as a God.

God's goal for life always has been "to get a more advanced conciousness".

If you're talking about Christianity, yeah, it started with good intentions, but abuse way after Jesus lived (fact) made it into a fairytale, and indeed, it turned into a production of the human brain.

Jesus Christ was just a Jew who wanted to reunite the Jews and the Gentiles. Just a normal guy. Someone like you and me. Someone like Athene!

Permalink Reply by Kristoffer Liland on February 2, 2012 at 4:34am

No it is not a production of the human brain, it is a production of need in an environment where we could not explain our surroundings, it is a pre-societal, pre-civilization creation. A stone age man would not be able to explain to you why there is thunder, they don't have concept of positive and negative polarities between earth sky, at least not in any scientific sense, they would more likely believe it would be thor running across the skies hitting around with his hammer, Mjølnir. 

You can simply describe the time before we started doing scientific research as Mythos, and when we started doing scientific research (the greek philosophers) Logos. It's all based on the knowledge we have had, and the imagination that lie within us. 

Permalink Reply by Bernhard on February 2, 2012 at 12:02pm

+1

Simple as that.

And telling yourself that everything is according to a bigger plan, or should be that way, or that eternal salvation will await after death... that's just like putting on pink glasses. Everything has a different color, but it will stay the same. The green light on that trafficlight? Yes, it's still green, even if your glasses tell you it's black now. Religion seems to be an excuse to avoid facing reality and real problems to a lot of people.

The two most religious guys I know both experienced a tragedy. One was depressive and tried to kill himself when he met jesus, the other one lost his son in an accident. Both of them were not able to bear the pain, and instead of looking for a productive solution, which would get them back into normal life, they both fled to religion, and now seem like empty shells depending on their holy book, just like a desperate teenager that has turned to drugs to avoid his cruel life...

Saying that religion provides happiness is like saying drugs provide happiness.

It's temporary, and it's not real. And in the long run it will do nothing good for humanity.

Permalink Reply by Michael V. on February 2, 2012 at 4:53pm

Great you got 2 examples...
I've got 100dreds of examples .. Some people devote their lifes to religion and use it to help the less fortunate... Mother Therese is one... Father Damian..  all of hem christians that went on mission.
Alot of depressive people pull themselves up to religion ... it does in fact provide a form of happyness to people.

Permalink Reply by Bernhard on February 2, 2012 at 5:21pm

Those people would have done so, even if religion never existed. Do you believe, they did it to be better people, or to get favoured by god? I'm sure they did it because they cared. And you don't need religion to care about other people.

Look at more recent examples - there are christian communities in afrika which try to help people, which is great - but there are also a huge load of non religions organisations over there, trying to help. You do NOT need religion to be a good person.

And a lot of depressive people pull themselfes up through help from others. Religion is just one of many ways, and in my opinion not the very best.

And please don't start to pick on my examples, because they are what they are: Examples, to underline my statement, nothing more. The main part, which is discussionworthy, is above them ;)

Permalink Reply by Michael V. on February 2, 2012 at 7:14pm

Their actions where inspired by their beliefs in god and jesus... if they where not inspired by god they would not have found the strength to offer their lifes for others.

In my opinion no1should state that religion is useless as many people do in here.
Religion is something that cannot be wiped away and is something of all time.

Therefore religion is a very important aspect in life affecting everyone including non-religious people.

I bet every single human being has prayed/asked for help from a greater force in life at some point in their lifes.

Permalink Reply by Oliver Williams on February 2, 2012 at 11:37pm

Michael i think its funny how defensive u are, especially after asking someones opinion. U say that Bernhard has only two exsamples and claim to have hundreds, then u give three. 

How bout the crusades buddy, how about explain the children crusade to me. I'm dying to know what you think about children being sent to die for land and money.

Oh but you''ll probably just cast that point off as irrelevant to all the good that the teachings of god, teachings that you seem to lack understanding of. If you had true faith you would probably just pray for us and be done with it.

You must be pretty ignorant if you think you can just say something is real and expect people to believe you, unless your like, the son of god and can show people and prove your faith. Are you? the son of god? I wonder? 

As for your opinion, you want to censor people? tell people what they can and cant say? wow how religious is that?

u must be a troll

Permalink Reply by Captain Morgan on February 3, 2012 at 2:33am

Don't forget, in the 7th century the other side was launching their own crusade *jihad* against Europe all the way into Eastern Europe  and as far west as Austria, and in Spain from the Moors. Most people leave that out, just wanted to add that in. Just so you know we're not picking on your christianity, all sides tend to have someone causing trouble :) If religion helps you, I don't have to agree with it, by all means go for it, but you're trying really hard to convince others lately, I believe there was already one thread about this.

Permalink Reply by Michael V. on February 3, 2012 at 5:46am

everyone has a favorite subject mine is religion... I like to discuss/hear what others have to say about it .. and discuss their responses.
this is btw not the same as the topic about self development trough religion.

Permalink Reply by Michael V. on February 3, 2012 at 5:39am

Why do you keep accusing me of trying to censor people.. I'm not defensive... i'm responding with my opinion..
And ofc i do not agree when he says that all good on the world would have happened without religion aswell..


To answer to your question about your so called 'children' crusade ... there is first of all much confusion...
It has been told that it weren't children atleast not very young children rather teenagers. Second of all the myth goes like this: 1 person had a message from Jesus christ to PEACEFULLY CONVERT muslims inside the muslim lands.. this person wen't out and spread the word about the message and got Thousands of followers... They travelled to the medditerean sea expecting it would open up for them like it did for moses... unfortunatly it DIDN't so all that where willing got on a boat for free passage to jerusalem but in fact they where taken to Tunisia where they have been sold as slaves.
Also many research states these events did not even happen.

-A study published in 1977^[1] cast doubt on the existence of these events, and many historians came to believe^[2] that they were not (or not primarily) children but multiple bands of "wandering poor" in Germany and France, some of whom tried to reach the Holy Land and others who never intended to do so. Early versions of events, of which there are many variations told over the centuries, are largely apocryphal

Maybe you should also watch this movie : Crusade: A March through Time ..

I have true faith... i believe in God and Jesus and in the word of the bible. I could be some variation of a jehova witness who take the bible as the only word of god.. but i believe religion is a production of the human brain to find comfort when we are weak inside. and it is good to find comfort in religion for people that can't find it somewhere else.

Permalink Reply by Étienne Rodrigue on February 7, 2012 at 5:43pm

Interesting points there Mickael.

However, when you say religion was created by the human mind as a way to better cope with life's challenges, doesn't that imply that God is also fictitious, a part of this psychological tool to understand life? I that is the case, then that makes the Bible nothing more than a user's manual.

I'm sure that's not what you mean, as it would completely undermine your arguments, so could you clarify this for me please? I'd be grateful.

Permalink Reply by Oliver Williams on February 8, 2012 at 6:19am

I guess im not clear in the fact that im more than happy with you believing what you want, I think there is a good chance that you are right, for you. However you're online telling people they are wrong with no evidence apart from the word of something that doesnt have to be real.

As for the childrens crusades, Who knows for certain how old they were, but there is a general consensus between most scholars who study the subject that says that young children were sent, and about 90% died, and the rest were sold as sex slaves. I have a feeling you only read up on one source, but when your looking at history, its kind of imperative that you read many sources on the same subject, and not sources like wiki's for god sake! because depending on ur source u could be receiving a ton of bias info. for instance a catholic and a Muslim are going to have much different view points when talking about the crusades.  . Nothing wrong with that, but you should also read other sources. The problem with wiki's with things like this is there is no way to logically analyze the information as it has already been analyzed and written by anyone who takes the time to write and cite (if ur lucky).

I'll check out the movie if i have the time, but I already have a pretty good understanding of the crusades, quiz me if u like.

If you could elaborate on your second "myth" that would be cool, kind of poorly explained as to what u mean.

Once again. My goal is not to detach you from faith, If you find solace in your beliefs i think thats great, but i wonder why it is you need to talk about your beliefs as if they are 100% truth for everyone. 

Faith is by definition Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. An idea that seems to close itself readily to any other idea's on the subject automatically.

With that my question is if you truly are faithful in your religion, is their even a reason to ask what others think about it? You don't exactly stand to gain much.

I think u should just be yourself. observe the world around you, and start to piece all things together with your beliefs, This will strengthen them. You have a right to speak about whatever you want, but i have the right to hate on your beliefs when I never asked for them. I hope the end result of you being battered by atheistic people/ other religions, or people like me. is a constructive one and in the end in your reality I hope u find peace in heaven, but i guarantee you that in my reality. You are not right. 

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