According to Abraham Maslow our basic needs for survival are air, food, water, shelter, warmth, sleep and sex - now I personally don’t agree at all with the last one being a survival need
but that’s another topic altogether, I kind of just want to talk about what you could consider an 8th survival need: purpose



Now I personally read a crapload of anthropological and psychological material, and we've all heard about how people who have "something to do" or someone to take care of tend to live longer, but when I read this my jaw just dropped to the floor:

In March 1945 in one of the German concentration camps (I believe it was
Auschwitz they were in at the time) Victor E. Frankl encountered a man
who told him that he had dreamed the war would be over on March 30th
(and this man truly believed his dream in sort of a prophetic way.)

There being no news to indicate such a thing would happen as the date drew
nearer, come March 29 the man suddenly and unexpectedly developed a high
fever. March 30 he lost consciousness. March 31 he was dead.

If one isolated case is not enough to convince you of the lethality of
hopelessness and purposelessness, since it can be attributed to
coincidence, another interesting fact to support this was that the death
tolls tended to rise dramatically between the months December and
January. There was no significant change in food supplies, no outbreaks
of disease, no significant temperature drops. Nothing out of the
ordinary.


Frankl testifies the men simply died because they had hoped to be home by Christmas.

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Oh yes, the same thing goes for "Shaman deaths" - in many primitive tribes there are still superstitions about curses and such, and if a local shaman curses you and says you're going to die, in the vast majority of cases the cursed person effectively does die; but not from a curse. His body's own nervous systems become hyperactive, hormones become unbalances, blood pressure shoots through the roof, so they eventually die of acute stress.

This is the same mechanism in the sense that your own brain is what kills you, whether through extreme anxiety caused by superstition, or extreme shame, or as in Frankl's example hopelessness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs.svg

Doesn't this one actually represent something to that effect?
Another interesting point is a study they did recently to find out where on earth people are healthiest and/or have the highest age; and what these places have in common.

Turns out the only thing they really had in common was that the people in these communities had close friends and relatives around them and were genuinely concerned with each other and constantly being socially nurtured or nurturing. I believe Reese and Chiren know more about this study, I can't link you guys but maybe they can.
They also did a research recently on that, in countries where people are more economically equal people tend to be happier and lead better lives. Also instead of following the HDI the Happy Planet Index has some interesting results :)
hey dean
i think that last survival need would be better to call it "hope". I used to be very against religion, but lately iv realized that religion is actually a great thing i still don't agree with the way the church and stuff tho. but it doesn't matter if it's true or not if a god really does exist, but it does provide people with hope,strength, emotional support and courage. my English teacher from 3 years ago always said "even if you are not much of a religious type of person, take a leap of faith" i am finally beginning to understand what she meant. hope is a very powerful thing as long as there is hope there is a way.

FYI i am not a crazy religion zealot, I'm just exploring all the religions to better understand where people are coming from and their belief. tolerance is must have for your emotional well-being
this thing that Dean posted works also in the oposite way , guess you heard about miracles of health heal
with all that mystic and christainity things , it works exactly same way
I think it's meant as follow, sex is not something you use to survive, some even get addicted... But something like sex can be a good 'Outlet" for stress and such, ofc you can do other things like smoking but that's not a good thing.
If you look at it from an other way, we need sex to survive: No sex no baby's no more humans.
Combine those two and maybe even more explanations and sex becomes a survival need.

This is just what I think, I don't think much about this stuff but this seems logic to me.
I just tried to know why this dude took sex as the 8th survival need, not why sex would be an 8th survival need.
".....and sex - now I personally don’t agree at all with the last one being a survival need..."

umm...not to sound offensive or anything bro, but if no one had sex....we wouldnt exist anymore lol. i dont think he meant pleasure...but reproduction.
Sex is not a survival need? How do you expect to reproduce? I don't know. I am guessing that is what he meant when he listed that.

I totally agree that purpose is a very important need to survive.
My great-grandmother lived with her to brothers, taking care of them was a daily chore for her even tho she was 10and15years older then them.
Her entire life she had been taking care of her 2 brothers since both of them had been getting
weaker and sicker the years after their wife's had died.
Now, even at the age of 96 my great-grandmother was cooking, cleaning, walking down to the store buying supplies and food, even cutting the grass.. the old fashioned way when your pushing the damn thing around, again at the age of 96 she was doing all that and on top of all was rarely sick, she had a flu every now and then during the winter and spent a week in bed at the most before she was up and "running" again.

Then her brothers died, 1 after the other with only 3months between. It didn't take more then 6months after her last brother died before she had gotten so weak that she passed away aswell.
She died at the age of 97, on her birthday actually.
a month before her last brother died and we went to visit her, she was even fixing the damn roof..

I think purpose only pertains to social-survival. Without an ego purpose wouldn't be a problem.

Sex is a survival need not for YOU , but for the race. xD Silly boy. Plus with the way some people act...

 

Anyway, people die of heart break. Totally possible yes of course. But this stuff sounds more like self fulfilling prophecies. Sometimes if you believe in something strongly enough, it's real to you. Which can cause you to do amazing things, even die.

 

Living out of fear of death is perhaps the greatest purpose.

 

Anything after that is based on the individual.

 

Is purpose needed, yes. It's basic instinct to keep living. That in itself is purpose.

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