Comment by Jake Kaplan on January 28, 2011 at 2:10pm
This was good, thanks!
Comment by DAN on January 28, 2011 at 2:41pm
Through half of it and now I see what you did there - it's realy more a philosophy than science. (Funny to imagine that experience is expressed in Joule xD)
Comment by DAN on January 28, 2011 at 3:12pm

what you're saying at the end acutally explains rather good why the the physic dude says that you should shut up and to the maths | c=hf is still nonsense for me. (and I still don't get why you keep doing lifestreams instead of posting in the forums...)

I for mysellf will retread from the discussion until you get to the flash and bones of the things.

Comment by DAN on January 28, 2011 at 3:18pm
oh.. and I guess heisenberg's uncertainity principle is shown ~31.30 ;)
Comment by Kimo on January 28, 2011 at 3:23pm
"It would be a lot easier to explain if I were talking to a scientist."

Perhaps more for you than the scientist. There should be some kind of warning lights flashing in your head if you have trouble explaining your concept and its relevance in simple terms that people here can understand. It should seem a bad thing that your audience is roughly split into two camps - those who think it's nonsense, and those who don't understand it but like it anyway.


I've largely ignored IPower for the last year or two, ever since the mystery project got underway and the energy seemed far less oriented towards working on building a positive environment for the users. Now reviewing some of the videos released in advance of the TOE vid, I get the sinking feeling that you might really believe your own bullshit hype - like a classical story of the ruler who isolates himself from his community, and starts to believe only the hype about his own greatness. I guess that's what has most disturbed me about the entire self-development program you guys have launched so far. It's wonderful that you want to inspire others to believe in themselves, and to access their potential. It's horrific that you personally represent what happens when that motivation finds no meaningful resistance in its environment - grotesque self-delusion and megalomania. Salvador Dali could claim that all that is required to be a genius is to declare and fully believe that you are a genius, and artists do that all the time with mixed results. Doing that in the physical sciences, or any serious discipline is another matter entirely.


I think getting out of the bedroom and having real human interactions would be a tremendous help - that is, have challenging, open-minded conversations with people other than your closest friends, family members and online fans. This is no joke - putting yourself in relative isolation is a great way to come up with bad ideas. In that state, it's just far too easy to think that something is brilliant just because you haven't heard it somewhere else before.


As for the academic side, your anecdote about the PhD student is revealing for many reasons you probably won't quite fully grasp until you're pursuing a PhD yourself. I always advise my students to examine one very small aspect of a field or problem, in order to illuminate the larger issues and themes involved. This micro to macro approach almost always yields much better insights for them, and readable material for their peers than the "My theory of everything to do with neuroscience, physics, philosophy of mind, and human nature" approach. Incidentally, it's not just an issue of good scholarship, it's also an issue of humility, which is an essential ingredient in meaningful intellectual work.


My personal favorite anecdote about the nature of intellectual work comes from the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein. When he was teaching at Cambridge, someone came into the faculty lounge and told him that a student of his had decided to quit the PhD program. When Wittgenstein asked why, they told him the student had said he realized he had nothing original to contribute to philosophy. Then Wittgenstein slammed his fist down on the table and shouted, "For that action alone he should be awarded his PhD!"


The further you get in your studies, the more meaningful that anecdote becomes.

Comment by Pier S.F. on January 28, 2011 at 4:59pm
I find it interesting how eastern philosophies teach you to still your mind in meditation, to become silent in mind, in order to find truth, and then Chiren is explaining the very same thing as the Yogi would, but from a scientific approach.
Comment by Theory on January 28, 2011 at 5:26pm

Why doesn't Chiren ever post on IPower?

You would think he would join in the discussion...

Comment by Arjuna aka sdsad on January 28, 2011 at 5:49pm

fter several watches of AToE and some editional reading, and watching all your live streams I think i start to gasp the logic behind it.

For me it starts to make sense and that kind of makes me enthusiastic.

Awesome work Chiren! I am really having the intuition that this is a much bigger story than most people here are ready to admit! Keep it going!

Additional I can say that it also makes a lot of sense from a Yogic point of view.

(The ancient knowledge from India is also much more accurate than most people are ready to admit )

Comment by AlexG on January 28, 2011 at 9:30pm
Does this explain the deja vu feeling?
Comment by Pier S.F. on January 28, 2011 at 9:51pm


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